L.A. Abortions

March 31, 2011

Denisha, from Triptrotting

Update: This is now the first of two parts. In this post, I talk about my experiences and reaction to the protesters and clinic escorts outside of Her Medical Clinic in Los Angeles. In “Abortion, Cont.“, I revise my outlook based on the comments I received on this post.

This past weekend, I went down to LA to hang out with people from Triptrotting. My first time meeting anyone off of this soon-to-be-relaunched hospitality exchange website.

We hung out at Denisha’s 5-girl college house and hit up bars in the area of USC and downtown LA. While fun, it all felt like a generic American university experience. I knew that if I was somewhere else, I’d be trying to understand some deeper part of the culture. I tried to change my perspective to that of a foreigner coming to America for the first time. What was different? The marauding shirtless guys on campus? Strip malls? Pancake places?

The last on the list is where I found something that offered insight into current American culture/discourse.

At the entrance to the parking lot on Figueroa Street, there were two guys, one Caucasian, one Hispanic, holding “Abortion Kills Children” signs. I lit up. This was America. Something that a lot of people would literally turn away from was light for my mothness.

Next to Jacks N Joe (said pancake place) is Her Medical Clinic, a place that performs abortions.

I figured I could get some interesting footage of me talking to the guys with the signs. No, not so much. They said they weren’t cool with that, for their own safety. They told me a bit about what they do, which they said was non-confrontational, offering other options to the women coming to the clinic.

What endeared me to them most was the stuff they said their organizations did. From talking to them, I began to see a distinction between anti-abortion and pro-life. These guys were pro-life. Instead of the Westboro folks going and yelling, these guys volunteered to get resources for women so they’d be able to handle the babies they brought to term. Having drives for toys, diapers, etc. It felt like a much more positive approach than the way I’m frequently seeing anti-abortion/pro-life people portrayed as.

A couple feet from the guys were two women with T-shirts that said in English and Spanish that said they were clinic escorts. They were suspicious of me. Whereas the other guys were cool talking if they weren’t on camera, the girls wanted to know who I was working for. I told them that I blog, travel and do travel vids and that I was really here to have brunch, but figured I’d say hi. They said that their reason for being there was to help women that were making a tough choice, to make sure that they weren’t harassed on the way to the clinic and that the pro-life guys didn’t go on private property, which the parking lot was. Apparently, there had been fairly minor incidents before and the girls were there to prevent recurrence.

Both sides made their points well and, while not immediately trusting of me, were forthcoming and not proselytizing. It didn’t change my own views on abortion in the slightest, but the guys did give me pause when they said that a lot of abortion clinics are not properly overseen and abortion doctors are generally just unsuccessful doctors. I would need to look into the former, but the latter does have a degree of logic to it. Would you rather be a surgeon at a hospital or perform abortions at a strip mall clinic?

What made me most sad was that while they vehemently disagreed on this subject, I’m sure they have a lot of other things in common. I mean, they had to be about the same age, if nothing else. If they really aren’t in a contentious, war-like mentality, as it felt like they weren’t, it would have been cool to see them talking about something else and getting along. I considered trying to be peacemaker, but went to have pancakes instead.

For more from this Triptrotting experience, check out the ROL:

In the sequel post, “Abortion, Cont.“, I revise my outlook based on the comments that I received on this post.

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Roni Weiss is a social media consultant and travel/events blogger.

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  • http://www.beforeiam35.com Tobias

    Nice article on an interesting subject.

    This would really be a cultural schock to me, as >95% of Swedish society is pro choice. Also, since we have health care, there are no abortion clinics to demonstrate at in the first place. It sure would be interesting to have a discussion with a really rabid pro lifer one day…

  • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

    “When does it become a human life” is a philosophical discussion.

    What bothers me most is when people ignore the realities of sex.

    People have sex.

    Anyone with sense should be working toward proper sex education and reasonable availability of contraception.

    • http://twitter.com/amaditalks Amadi

      And contraception fails. More than 50% of the people who choose abortion in the U.S. were using contraceptive during the month that they became pregnant. There is no contraceptive that is 100% effective. The best efficacy rates come with the contraceptives that are the highest cost, the least availability and the highest rate of complications and contraindications for use.

      Proper sex education, universal healthcare access and availability of contraception are a start. There will still be people who become pregnant when they do not wish to be and cannot continue a pregnancy and for those people, unfettered access to abortion is necessary to preserve their health and their lives. Lack of access to safe, legal abortion still kills 70,000 women worldwide, annually.

      • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

        I’m not arguing against abortion.

        Your points are valid.

        • Nikkinuski

          What a great discussion you started.

          I would also argue that the question of human life is irrelevant. It’s whether that life is part of a woman’s body. An unborn child is part of a woman’s body, dependant on that body for survival, and therefor it is her choice whether to abort or give birth to it.

  • Nikkinuski

    “Would you rather be a surgeon at a hospital or perform abortions at a strip mall clinic?”

    This logic assumes that there is something wrong with abortion, and that clearly it is a less appealing medical practice than the vague ‘surgery in a hospital”. Would you say that a proctologist is a failed doctor because his area of expertise is (arguably) less appealing? No. Probably most proctologists (in addition to financial reasons for choosing to be a specialist) have some kind of a personal connection to the study, like a relative who died of colon cancer.

    I would be willing to be that many (though probably not all) doctors who choose to perform abortions do so because they feel a personal connection to making abortions safe and available, and minimizing the trauma that these women are going through.

    As for performing them in a strip mall versus a hospital, I would guess that this makes them cheaper (anything performed in a hospital is unfortunately more expensive) and more available to women with unreliable transportation.

    • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

      In any field, I would think you would want to be at the top of it.

      If you’re a doctor working at a strip mall, I’d say you’re not at the top of it.

      The argument made sense to me. Not going to say it has to be true, but I’d be curious to see the rankings of the doctors that work in abortion clinics.

      • Nikkinuski

        So, according to your logic, providing services that are more accessible to poor people places you lower in the hierarchy of your profession (or not ‘at the top of your field’)?

        • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

          Yeah, in the world we live in, quite possibly.

          If you’re working in a strip mall, chances are pretty good you’re not at the top of your field by the standards that we as a society go off of.

          You can question the priorities, but I think the reality of it is different from that.

          • http://twitter.com/amaditalks Amadi

            Or if you’re working in a strip mall, you’re working where the need is. The field of medicine isn’t meant to be about working in the shiniest place, it’s about helping people. People live in the communities where those strip malls exist, you know.

            Would you suggest that the doctors who travel in the developing world, working in makeshift field hospitals to treat hundreds and thousands of people, saving lives every day aren’t at the top of their field because they aren’t working in a nice establishment with shiny equipment and high rents?

            It’s illogical.

          • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

            The problem is partially that this is a vilified field.

            The question also is how broadly are we looking at the profession.

            I’m talking about the entire medical field.

            I would think that the most respected people in medicine are probably researches and top specialized surgeons. Could be wrong, but that’s my take.

            I address more in the post I’m currently finishing.

          • http://twitter.com/amaditalks Amadi

            Most respected by whom? By the medical establishment, maybe. By their patients? That’s a toss-up.

            It’s irrelevant, however, to the question of whether or not the doctor is highly skilled, dedicated to their profession and their patients, capable, caring, compassionate and willing to take great risks — seeing as how abortion providers are villified, threatened and assassinated in this country — to provide care in marginal circumstances.

            And if we accord more respect to the doctor who may or may not come up with some amazing research breakthrough every few years that may one day turn into a meaningful procedure or medication more years down the line after that to the doctor who is improving people’s lives, saving their lives, providing needed healthcare without worry about their own reputation on a daily basis, our system of judging these things is utterly broken.

          • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

            I think that I came around to the fact that anything else is irrelevant, given the fact that I totally missed the fact that abortion providers risk life and limb simply by doing their job.

  • Nikkinuski

    “Would you rather be a surgeon at a hospital or perform abortions at a strip mall clinic?”

    This logic assumes that there is something wrong with abortion, and that clearly it is a less appealing medical practice than the vague ‘surgery in a hospital”. Would you say that a proctologist is a failed doctor because his area of expertise is (arguably) less appealing? No. Probably most proctologists (in addition to financial reasons for choosing to be a specialist) have some kind of a personal connection to the study, like a relative who died of colon cancer.

    I would be willing to be that many (though probably not all) doctors who choose to perform abortions do so because they feel a personal connection to making abortions safe and available, and minimizing the trauma that these women are going through.

    As for performing them in a strip mall versus a hospital, I would guess that this makes them cheaper (anything performed in a hospital is unfortunately more expensive) and more available to women with unreliable transportation.

  • Madelinejo

    Great piece Roni, I think you captured some of the essence of the LA experience well!

    Also for anyone who can help out the TripTrotting hosts from this post, we are currently in a travel photo competition ON the TripTrotting Facebook page! (They are a wonderful company, just started up and growing rapidly, so great to check out.

    If you can help support us, that would be great! All you have to do is first go to visit the TripTrotting FB page and like it:

    http://www.facebook.com/Triptrotting?ref=ts

    And then visit our photo, “Flying High Above Budapest,” and like that as well! Our photo was taken by avid world traveller Denisha Brekke!

    We appreciate your support:)

    • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

      Yes! Vote for them!

  • http://thefutureamerican.wordpress.com Jess C.

    Every now and then, there are pro-life marches in front of the Women’s Hospital in my city. The marchers look pretty bored, as if they know they’re not getting anywhere. To my knowledge, there is no explicitly pro-life organization in Winnipeg that provides services and counseling to pregnant women. Then again, the abortion debate is tame here so I would expect what you witnessed in American cities.

    • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

      Sounds like what Tobias said…

      Funny how some of these social issues just aren’t a deal in other places.

  • http://twitter.com/ears_of_steam Mary Beth Blakey

    Hey, I’m sorry if my friend and I came off as suspicious. During a previous escorting gig at a different clinic in LA, a couple of reporters showed up with with cameras and their presence seemed to make a lot of people (especially patients) nervous. Living in LA has also made me a bit paranoid about being on of those clueless people in someone’s radio or late night TV comedy bit. So when you came up and asked to talk to us, those were the two things my mind jumped to. I really didn’t mean to be unfriendly. :-/.

    With respect, I think the protesters you spoke to misrepresented the way their group actually conducts themselves. I don’t have a lot of experience with the two gentlemen you spoke to specifically, but I’ve observed physical and verbal aggression towards patients, their support people, and bystanders from other volunteers for Pro-Life California and 40 Days for Life at that clinic and the other one I’ve escorted at. About a half hour before you showed up, one of their volunteers told me, “You love killing children.” One of their volunteers was also arrested at the previous clinic they targeted for trying to punch someone. A protester who’s showed up every week at every escorting action I’ve ever done once told me that he prayed I would die in a plane crash. I have never, ever tried argue or be contentious with any of these folks, but I’m not sure how to find common ground. My friend tried to make small talk with those two guys you spoke to after you left, and they said they were busy praying and “not allowed” to talk to her. I generally try to be polite but reserved, and focus on my reasons for being there: supporting patients and preventing harassment and trespassing whenever possible.

    From my point of view, just the act of the protesters showing up with their signs and their (medically inaccurate) literature, and trying to dissuade people from going to appointments IS confrontational. Toy and diaper donations are a great idea for someone who actually wants those things, but my experience tells me that anyone who makes a doctor’s appointment wants to see a medical professional (and not necessarily for an abortion, as Her Medical Clinic also provides paps smears, cancer screenings, and prenatal care). I’m a vegetarian, but I would never stand in the deli aisle trying to convince people to forgo their pastrami and try tofu, and that’s what the “sidewalk counseling” strategy always seems like to me.

    If you want to know more about why someone would be an abortion doctor despite the harassment, the threats, and possibly basing one’s practice out of a smaller clinic, I would recommend the documentary “The Assassination of Dr Tiller,” or the book, This Common Secret: My Journey as an Abortion Doctor, by Dr Susan Wicklund. My (admittedly biased) opinion is that abortion providers enter that specialty because they care about women’s healthcare, and abortion will always be a vital part of that.

    -MB

  • http://twitter.com/ears_of_steam Mary Beth Blakey

    Hey, I’m sorry if my friend and I came off as suspicious. During a previous escorting gig at a different clinic in LA, a couple of reporters showed up with with cameras and their presence seemed to make a lot of people (especially patients) nervous. Living in LA has also made me a bit paranoid about being on of those clueless people in someone’s radio or late night TV comedy bit. So when you came up and asked to talk to us, those were the two things my mind jumped to. I really didn’t mean to be unfriendly. :-/.

    With respect, I think the protesters you spoke to misrepresented the way their group actually conducts themselves. I don’t have a lot of experience with the two gentlemen you spoke to specifically, but I’ve observed physical and verbal aggression towards patients, their support people, and bystanders from other volunteers for Pro-Life California and 40 Days for Life at that clinic and the other one I’ve escorted at. About a half hour before you showed up, one of their volunteers told me, “You love killing children.” One of their volunteers was also arrested at the previous clinic they targeted for trying to punch someone. A protester who’s showed up every week at every escorting action I’ve ever done once told me that he prayed I would die in a plane crash. I have never, ever tried argue or be contentious with any of these folks, but I’m not sure how to find common ground. My friend tried to make small talk with those two guys you spoke to after you left, and they said they were busy praying and “not allowed” to talk to her. I generally try to be polite but reserved, and focus on my reasons for being there: supporting patients and preventing harassment and trespassing whenever possible.

    From my point of view, just the act of the protesters showing up with their signs and their (medically inaccurate) literature, and trying to dissuade people from going to appointments IS confrontational. Toy and diaper donations are a great idea for someone who actually wants those things, but my experience tells me that anyone who makes a doctor’s appointment wants to see a medical professional (and not necessarily for an abortion, as Her Medical Clinic also provides paps smears, cancer screenings, and prenatal care). I’m a vegetarian, but I would never stand in the deli aisle trying to convince people to forgo their pastrami and try tofu, and that’s what the “sidewalk counseling” strategy always seems like to me.

    If you want to know more about why someone would be an abortion doctor despite the harassment, the threats, and possibly basing one’s practice out of a smaller clinic, I would recommend the documentary “The Assassination of Dr Tiller,” or the book, This Common Secret: My Journey as an Abortion Doctor, by Dr Susan Wicklund. My (admittedly biased) opinion is that abortion providers enter that specialty because they care about women’s healthcare, and abortion will always be a vital part of that.

    -MB

    • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

      Thanks so much for the comment(s).

      1) I wasn’t offended that you guys were suspicious. I just tend to get inaccurate pictures in my head. I figured it’d be cool to talk to both sides on camera, like I did at the Health Care Rally/Protest in Grand Junction, CO.

      (Protest #1: http://bit.ly/h6Nvqi. Protest #2: http://bit.ly/h2wxPS. Rally: http://bit.ly/fpf4FU)

      But, there were people there that were suspicious of me, as well. So yeah, no harm, no foul.

      2) I’m glad you’ve shared your negative experiences with the groups that protest. As I mentioned, these two guys seemed like positive people, to me. Beyond that, there’s not much I can say about what I haven’t seen. I would never want to denigrate a whole ideology off of things I haven’t seen. Whether these guys did or did not misrepresent themselves, I will continue to draw a distinction between anti-abortion and pro-life from here on out. And I would double respect when that side is willing to meet the other to be able to provide contraceptive options and sex education so abortion can become more of a rarity.

      3) I do agree with the idea that there is something inherently confrontational about a sign that says “Abortion Kills Children” outside of an abortion clinic, but as long as you’re not breaking the law and trying to do what’s right by your moral standards, I see no reason not to respect you. If they are breaking the law, then it’s a good thing that there are people like you and your friend to volunteer.

      4) The whole quality of doctors thing is a bit of a red herring. If it isn’t being properly supervised, that’s one thing, but I won’t just take it at face value that the guys were right. I wrote about the strip mall aspect of it because it wasn’t something I ever heard before and there was something that rang true to me. I’m sure there are plenty of abortion providers that do it because they care about women, but I also could see the argument that a career-minded, successful doctor wouldn’t be working at a strip mall.

      Obviously, to go over everything you said in detail would be another post in and of itself, so I hope that is at least a start.

      Once again, thanks for sharing with me/us.

      • http://twitter.com/amaditalks Amadi

        The trouble is that there is no distinction between “pro-life” and “anti-abortion.” Ultimately, the “pro-life” people want the same thing as the “anti-abortion” people and how polite and reserved the protesters may have been doesn’t change what the organizations they represent do and the pamphlets they hand out say.

        They do not want anyone to choose abortion, and they will make promises of “resources” (that typically dry up within a couple of months of birth) or promises of helping to find adoptive parents (all Christian hetero couples, if you’re not a Christian & want your baby raised by a couple of your religion they will not help you) and tell outright lies (the oft-trumpted abortion and breast cancer myth, the ever present abortion causes depression and suicide myth) to coerce their “counselees” or “clients” into bringing their pregnancies to term.

        But the truth of the matter is that all the free toys, baby clothes and diapers in the world don’t equip a person to parent when they aren’t ready to. They may make the financial burden a touch easier, but there are other reasons beyond budgetary constraints that lead people to decide that they’re not ready to parent, and those reasons, the emotional reasons, the practical reasons are the ones that no one can fix with a few packets of free Huggies, and the anti-abortion “pregnancy care centers” (also known as crisis pregnancy centers) and OptionLines and the like ignore those concerns — like the emotional and physical stressors of pregnancy, the permanent emotional toll (on both parents and child) of surrendering a child for adoption, the dangers of being in a volatile relationship while pregnant and being forever tied to an abuser (or a rapist) by virtue of having his child, the interruption pregnancy and parenting a newborn causes in education and employment (and consequently on stable housing, access to healthcare, proper nutrition and how variances in those things during pregnancy put stress on both parent and child and worsen health and outcomes) or the lack of low-cost, trustworthy childcare in many communities, worsened by recent budgetary cuts for programs that subsidize childcare for lower income parents. They can’t help with any of that. All they have are glib assurances that continuing the pregnancy is the right thing to do just because it is, underscored by their adamant stance that the “baby” (they will never use the proper terms of embryo or fetus, ever) has a right to live, even when the circumstances of their life and the life of their parent(s) will be decidedly negative.

        If you can respect that, if you can respect sending decidedly false (“abortion kills children” is just a complete lie) and inflammatory messages to people in an emotionally charged situation, if you can respect lying to people to get them to do what you think that they should do then ultimately, you don’t respect women. You don’t believe that we are moral agents who are capable of making wise decisions about our own lives and acting in our own best interests without the interference of strangers. And that is pathetic. And it’s not “pro-life.”

        • http://twitter.com/ears_of_steam Mary Beth Blakey

          Yes, I ultimately have to agree with all of this.

  • http://twitter.com/ClinicEscort ClinicEscort

    “Would you rather be a surgeon at a hospital or perform abortions at a strip mall clinic?”

    This is *really* classist, foul, and gross. I’d rather be an abortion provider than any other kind of doctor, and the fact is, while some abortions happen in hospitals, they also cost far, far more than abortions done in freestanding clinics. For this reason, almost all typical early-term abortions, which take about 10 minutes to perform, occur in clinics where overhead costs are vastly lower–and that is as it should be.

    In addition, it’s actually pretty hard, and getting harder, to come out of medical school with training in abortion unless you actively and purposefully sought it out. You can read more about that here: http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2009/06/15/abortion_providers/index.html So this idea that abortion providers are all doctors who, what, started out with ambitions to become neurosurgeons but couldn’t hack it so they *accidentally* became abortion providers does not even make any sense. It’s not like buying a guitar with ambitions of recording platinum-selling albums but ending up giving lessons to talentless teenagers for a living instead: abortion provision is its own specialty, with its own skillset and its own required training.

    Furthermore, let me assure you that if that abortion clinic were a big new shiny glass-and-steel marvel, the protesters out front would be screaming about how that proved that abortion providers are only in it for the fat stacks. Despite the fact that the cost of abortion, in non-inflation-adjusted dollars, has barely increased in decades. I’ve been a volunteer escort at a clinic on the east coast for two years, and yet I get screamed at by my protesters all.the.time about the “blood money” I’m earning by walking women into the clinic. They simply refuse to believe that some people do what they do because they believe strongly that it needs to be done. I don’t expect much in the way of critical thinking skills from people who “speak in tongues” in between harassing folks at my clinic, but surely someone like you can rise above their standard?

    • http://roniweiss.com Roni Weiss

      Hmmm…

      Interesting.

      Thanks for your input and the link.

      I’ll think I’ll have to do a follow-up post to address the comments.


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